Podcast by Kent & Michelle Krabill
Beyond Fantasyland: Conversations on Sex, Politics, and Religion
The stories of people who worked their way out of fantasyland by following the evidence.
Beyond Fantasyland: Conversations on Sex, Politics, and Religion
Latest episodes
18 August 2025
Corban Addison: How Stories Reflect Our Reality
Corbin is the international bestselling author of four novels, A Walk Across the Sun, The Garden of Burning Sand, The Tears of Dark Water, and A Harvest of Thorns. Recently, Corbin took a stab at nonfiction and has created yet another page turner, Wastelands. Corbin is an activist who has a keen eye for uncovering worlds that are often too easy for us to ignore in our modern world. Along with writing international bestsellers, Corbin is also an attorney, a world traveler, and a supporter of numerous humanitarian causes.
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16 August 2025
Colby Braley aka Betty SiSonnet Conversion Therapy and the Power of Drag
Today Kent sits down with Colby Braley. Colby lives in the DFW area with his husband, TJ, and is, among other things, an award-winning drag performer. In fact, Colby is the reigning Miss Thicket 2022 and Miss Life Walk 2022. But there's a whole lot more to Colby's story than just walking the runway, which you will soon find out.
Original recording date: 3/3/2023
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15 August 2025
Rev. Dr. Katie Hays: LGBTQ+ Inclusion, Doubt, Faith and "No Bullshit, Ever".
In this episode, Kent talks to the Rev. Dr. Katie Hayes of Galileo Church in Fort Worth. Katie started her college career at MIT studying engineering and ended up with a degree in library science, a Master's in Divinity from Yale Divinity School, and a doctorate from Princeton Theological Seminary. She served small, traditional churches for almost two decades before planting Galileo Church at the Christian Church Disciples of Christ Community on the outskirts of Fort Worth, Texas in 2013. Katie describes Galileo as a quirky church for spiritual refugees, especially LGBTQ, plus people, neurodiverse people, and the people who love them. Welcome, Dr. Hayes.
Originally recorded 01/19/23
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14 August 2025
Dr. Christine Lynn Norton: How Dialog, Storytelling, and Empathy Can Lead Us Out of Fantasyland
Did you ever wonder how someone who grew up in a cult could wind up one of the most respected members in their field? In this episode, Kent sits down with Dr. Christine Lynn Norton, Ph.D., LCSW, to talk not only about her upbringing in The Way International but also how we can all escape Fantasyland through the power of dialogue, storytelling, and empathy.
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13 August 2025
Kellie Sullivan Herring - The Beauty of Life with a Transgender Child
In this episode, Kent talks to Kellie Sullivan Herring about her journey out of evangelicalism, her son's coming out, and the beauty of life with a transgender child. Kellie grew up in a fundamentalist evangelical family, attended Christian schools, and now identifies as an atheist. She is the proud mom of three spectacular humans, one of whom is a trans boy. Kellie is a fierce advocate, ally, activist, and all-around amazing person.
Original air date: 9/14/2022
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